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| ;From a 10-6-2008 discussion on #openlibrary on irc.freenode.net: Reffer madness part I-II. Prefaced by a blog post on the longest now. | | ;From a 10-6-2008 discussion on #openlibrary on irc.freenode.net: Reffer madness part I-II. Prefaced by a blog post on the longest now. |
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| == Introduction ==
| | August 2008 at 7:20 am great work! , |
| <sj>
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| : citations lack specificity.
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| : as a result they mislead, they conflict, they obfuscate
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| : they don't aggregate, they don't prioritize, they don't elaborate
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| : slach lanu.
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| : you have to track down the original to know how and in what sense and at what depth a source was cited and whether the source is relevant, a flimsy self-published rag, or not evey traceable. | |
| : and who has time or access to do that?
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| mako suggests: draft a standard for identifying types of refs, advocate for interest, start using it somewhere high-profile
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| sj suggests: blogging about this process, drawing in people who have though about this, defining it in a way that it can improve Wikipedia citation style and scalability of authority
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| <mako>
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| : all we can ask is that authors explain their perception of the reliability
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| : i don't want to cite things opaquely
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| : and i don't want others to do so as well
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| : one nice thing i want is a way to do it that is at least quasi-compatible with exciting style guidelines
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| :: <brassratgirl> exciting!
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| : so that i can argue in favor of doing it in things that i actually publish in other people journals
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| :: <greg-g> that seems like a must have
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| : <mako> bemasc (not here) suggested treating citations as kind of like nouns
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| == Actively attending ==
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| brassratgirl : Phoeb. E
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| mako : B. M. Hill
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| jgay : J. Gay
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| _sj_ : SJ. Klein
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| solrize : S. Olrize
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| stargirl : H Wollach
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| == Papers cited ==
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| * Example : [http://pastebin.com/m18a601a6 from Andrew McCallum]
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| * [http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sht25/papers/sigdial06.pdf An annotation scheme for citation function] by Simone Teufel, Advaith Siddharthan, Dan Tidhar (2006)
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| ** John M. Ziman. 1968. '''Public Knowledge''': An Essay Concerning the Social Dimensions of Science. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK.
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| **: the only book I ever borrowed from the Harvard Physics Library without returning [[User:Sj|Sj]]
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| ** Ina Spiegel-Ruesing. 1977. ''Bibliometric and content analysis.''
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| Social Studies of Science, 7:97-113.
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| * [http://www.cs.umass.edu/~mwick/ Papers by Michael Wick]
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| | Frampton used it on his album Frampton Comes Alive! , |
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